Comments on: Danziger’s cartoon

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By: Philippe Dambournet

Philippe Dambournet — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:33:54 +0000

This rather sickening cartoon seems at odds with Jeff Danziger’s record both as a decorated veteran and as a cartoonist who has not hesitated to go after the powerful when it was not the popular choice. I’d call him on that, and ask him whatever happened to his soldier’s sense of honor. And of course, he could also be asked whether he would have treated the exact same incident differently had it taken place in Britain or Israel. The odds of that?

By: Onion Johnny

Onion Johnny — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:46:10 +0000

Je suis on ne peut plus d’accord.

By: Miquelon

Miquelon — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:53:26 +0000

Quoique – Vu la réaction de nombreux French-Bahers du dimanche – je ne parle pas des Stern / Leno, mais plutôt des Danzigers, Groenig, Miller etc. ils sont prompts a afficher leur francophilie supposée pour désarmer les critiques (my best friend is gay / I have a lot of Black friends / defense). C’est justement ces faux-culs qu’ils va falloir cibler avec le prix du “Freedom Fry Award”. Non ?

By: Onion Johnny

Onion Johnny — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:45:18 +0000

Marc, je suis entièrement d’accord avec vous sur la “googlisation” des opinions ! Cela dit, je pense qu’il n’y a pas grand chose à faire contre ça : plus on se mêle de combattre la calomnie, plus on la nourrit.
Je pense que même si nous, les français, parvenions à capturer Ben Laden, nous même, à détruire le terrorisme islamique (voeux pieux !), remportions plusieurs victoires militaires sur la Corée du Nord, l’Iran, disons (rêvons vu l’état de notre armée, qu’on prétend amputer davantage), même après cela nous serions toujours considérés par certains (ils sont, hélas ! nombreux) comme des lâches par nature (et pas même des humains : des singes !).
Quant à Stern, je tiens à vous rassurer : je le méprise, plus que je ne le hais, et on ne peut pas le rendre seul responsable du “french bashing” : seulement, lui ne se présenterait certainement pas comme francophile devant nous, tout en écrivant, disant, ou dessinant, ici, des horreurs sur notre compte.

By: Onion Johnny

Onion Johnny — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:23:06 +0000

A Hillblogger :
Désolé, j’écris en français, parce que ma maîtrise de l’anglais n’est pas parfaite.
L’expression “America’s poodle” est excessive, certes, mais elle n’est pas totalement injustifiée. Nicolas Sarkozy fait bien quand il nous réconcilie avec les EU, c’est indéniable.
Cela dit, l’empressement presque servile manifesté fréquemment à l’égard de cette administration américaine actuelle qui est surtout connu pour son hypocrisie, sa corruption et surtout son incompétence, ne me parait idéal. Ne vous méprenez pas : je n’ai rien contre le fait qu’il passe ses vacances aux EU, ni qu’il cherche à nous réconcilier avec eux, mais je pense qu’il aurait dû attendre le départ de Bush : s’associer à leur clique dans ce contexte n’est pas habile…
Il n’est pas malaisé de comprendre, en outre, les ardeurs belliqueuses de notre bien-aimé gouvernement sur l’Iran (une intervention d’une rare bêtise, surtout que nous n’avons pas les moyens de nos ridicules menaces), ou la Chine (notre habituelle attitude hypocrite et moralisatrice, justifiée sur le Tibet dans l’absolu, mais déplacée), comme étant une volonté forcenée de s’alligner sur les “faucons” (déplumés depuis peu) de Washington.
Quant à l’OTAN, je ne suis pas sûr que nous y gagnons : les Américains décident de tout, les Anglais suivent, ils parfois une fleur aux Allemands sages et disciplinés, mais je doute qu’on y voit un officier français, c’est généralement un club Anglo-Américains : la valetaille n’a pas son mot à dire ! Dois-je vous rapeler les mépris dans lequel nous sommes tenus : sur les forums, les blogs militaires (et autres), dès qu’on évoque la France il y a toujours au moins un billet avec le mot “surrender” écrit.
Cela dit je ne suis pas un expert, loin s’en faut, je vous prie donc de me pardonner mes lacunes ou mes erreurs, mais je m’intéresse à la chose militaire.
A ce propos, je terminerais en vous disant que je trouve votre blog extrêmement bien fait et très intéressant !

By: hillblogger

hillblogger — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:58:53 +0000

Onion Johnny,

Re: “But, ironicaly, since we became America’s new poodle,”

Sarkozy being feted in the White House doesn’t entail France being a poodle. But maybe there’s something you know that I don’t — and would like to know since when did we become America’s new poodle?

For info, France is still a thorn on America’s side at NATO despite “promises” by Sarkozy to Bush that we’d increase troop participation in Afghanistan. American delegates at NATO are frankly at their wits’ ends over French recalcitrance on many issues affecting NATO (and by gum, I totally approve of this attitude by France!!!!!)

If you are referring to France’s “desire” to become an integral part of NATO, (allow me to borrow Jean Paul’s line) it’s not that simple: It’s more political than that — France wants to a larger say in the operational scheme of things and I suspect would like to capture the 2nd in command position at SACEUR at the very least.

By: Miquelon

Miquelon — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:28:42 +0000

(@28 – Onion Johnny) – About Howard Stern, he’s the grandaddy of French Bashing, and most of his comments are at the roots of Smigel / Miller / Leno’s bashing, and he justifies all French Bashing by constanly referring to World War II and Vichy France.

By: Miquelon

Miquelon — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:26:36 +0000

About the Ski Lankan article (@29 – Onion Johnny) – I think this article would have been impossible to write in pre-Google days. The author simply googled anti-French materials, much like the anti-French protests in China, and recycled photographs, ideas and anti-French drivel from sites like the one we all know but shall not name.

The web has made hate-speech so much easier by providing prehashed hate materials.

By: hillblogger

hillblogger — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:07:49 +0000

The most obnoxious, if we really want to define the obnoxious tourist is the American tourist who’s usually so parochial and who believes that by increasing his screams, people will understand what he’s trying to say.

By: hillblogger

hillblogger — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:05:08 +0000

andré,

Re: “which make their Sri Lankan feats pale in comparison,”

Someone should tell the author of that article that he should explain why Sri Lankans are considered the cannibals of south Asia!

By: hillblogger

hillblogger — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:02:25 +0000

… that part of the French MILITARY population

By: hillblogger

hillblogger — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:01:39 +0000

Re Jeff Danzinger’s drivel:

“Using to old joke about French military prowess is cheap, I admit, but there is some truth to it. They hardly distinguished themselved in World War Two, after all.”

Not only cheap it’s pure vomit…As to his truth — I don’t know what that was all about; that part of the French population who fought in the war more than made up for those who followed Vichy, so he should cut the crap. I suggest that he go back to the drawing board and read history.

If he had fought in any war and had fought in a war himself, I might have a bit more respect for him but taking cheap shots is just being plain nasty.

Re: “… and regularly attend the cartoon festival in St. Just-le-Martel near Limoges.” Maybe he should come to my side of town and we’ll test his bravoura in person!

Ardent Francophile he says? Well, then he’ll understand if he’s told VTFF!

By: Onion Johnny

Onion Johnny — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:52:18 +0000

I was thinking about the Sri Lankan article (pro-gov. apparently), calling us the worst cowards the World has ever seen. I had read it a long time ago, and, for some time, I considered to answer to the journalist and to post here, about this, but I did not, because I am to tired to deal endlessly with bigots, countering his overused rants with overemployed arguments.
Let it suffice to say that the Sri Lankan military is not able to control nearly a half of its own territory, which, appart from the tragedy that Sri-Lankan are living, made me think that mocking the French army is beyond any form of irony.
Until Sarkozy takes presidential office, France had a good reputation in Middle and Far East…
So the francophobic attitudes were rather confined to a quite small elite (most generally businessmen class which is not, at least in the anglosphere, exactly renowned for its francophilia). But, ironicaly, since we became America’s new poodle, one can assume that reputation somewhat plummeted (see China’s row and the “spontaneous” albeit short demonstrations of francophobia), but, as Disraeli would say, they are lies, damned lies, and statistics…

By: Onion Johnny

Onion Johnny — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:33:24 +0000

Mr. Danziger is as francophile as Matt Groening : behind us it’s all “screw da Frogs, they’re no humans !” while before us, in Paris (the only town in France, apparently !) almost always, it’s more “Oh! La ! La ! La France ! But I adore your magnificent country ! With all that class, the femme fatale…” They remind me a bit of Pepé Le Pew and the hunchback that the knight of Lagardère plays to fool Gonzague (”Merci, Monseigneur !”)
You know what, I start to like Howard Stern : he truly hates us ! And he would be no afraid to tell us ! That is more honest !