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		<title>By: Trace Church</title>
		<link>http://www.miquelon.org/2008/07/22/c-span-archives-worth-noting/comment-page-2/#comment-1211</link>
		<dc:creator>Trace Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job!!!!
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		<title>By: Onion Johnny</title>
		<link>http://www.miquelon.org/2008/07/22/c-span-archives-worth-noting/comment-page-2/#comment-1162</link>
		<dc:creator>Onion Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A propos de l&#039;article du Times : oui, c&#039;est de la francophobie...  Comme on en trouve sur la quasi totalité de la presse Britannique... Quant à Charles Bremner, je pense qu&#039;il adore la France, vraiment... Mais il nous hait profondément et affecte de mépriser notre culture sous couvert d&#039;articles : Love France, pity the French...
Rien de nouveau sous le soleil (de France, parce que celui de l&#039;Angleterre... Mais pas d&#039;anglophobie primaire : après tout, les British adorent les Fro...er... Frenchies et moi j&#039;adore les rosb... euh... les mangeurs de pudding !).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A propos de l&#8217;article du Times : oui, c&#8217;est de la francophobie&#8230;  Comme on en trouve sur la quasi totalité de la presse Britannique&#8230; Quant à Charles Bremner, je pense qu&#8217;il adore la France, vraiment&#8230; Mais il nous hait profondément et affecte de mépriser notre culture sous couvert d&#8217;articles : Love France, pity the French&#8230;<br />
Rien de nouveau sous le soleil (de France, parce que celui de l&#8217;Angleterre&#8230; Mais pas d&#8217;anglophobie primaire : après tout, les British adorent les Fro&#8230;er&#8230; Frenchies et moi j&#8217;adore les rosb&#8230; euh&#8230; les mangeurs de pudding !).</p>
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		<title>By: milord</title>
		<link>http://www.miquelon.org/2008/07/22/c-span-archives-worth-noting/comment-page-2/#comment-1122</link>
		<dc:creator>milord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>André W //Americans are actually calling us monkeys…//

The Times is an English publication, not an American one. England and the United States are two different countries. 

Nor are &quot;the English&quot; calling you monkeys. A single English journalist has uncoupled the &quot;surrender monkey&quot; expression and given &quot;monkey&quot; a life of its own. He deserves to be roundly condemned. Have at him. 

//…the foul swine.//

Charmed, I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>André W //Americans are actually calling us monkeys…//</p>
<p>The Times is an English publication, not an American one. England and the United States are two different countries. </p>
<p>Nor are &#8220;the English&#8221; calling you monkeys. A single English journalist has uncoupled the &#8220;surrender monkey&#8221; expression and given &#8220;monkey&#8221; a life of its own. He deserves to be roundly condemned. Have at him. </p>
<p>//…the foul swine.//</p>
<p>Charmed, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Barney hasn't keft the building</title>
		<link>http://www.miquelon.org/2008/07/22/c-span-archives-worth-noting/comment-page-2/#comment-1121</link>
		<dc:creator>Barney hasn't keft the building</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s Charles Bremner take on the monkeys have not merely surrendered comment published in the times yesterday.



[Yes it is a bit offensive. But he is quoting the american term that was used during Chirac&#039;s opposition to the Iraq War. They are not his words. It would have been better to put the word in quotes. Or better not to have used it at all.CB]
http://timescorrespondents.typepad.com/charles_bremner/2008/07/post-5.html?cid=123409400#comments

What do you think ?



ps hors sujet: monsieur chazelle. Je doute fort que ce soient les 15 (petits) messages par mois grand maximum que je poste sur votre blog qui sappent votre energie de bloggeur. Vous vous faites vieux voila tout. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s Charles Bremner take on the monkeys have not merely surrendered comment published in the times yesterday.</p>
<p>[Yes it is a bit offensive. But he is quoting the american term that was used during Chirac's opposition to the Iraq War. They are not his words. It would have been better to put the word in quotes. Or better not to have used it at all.CB]<br />
<a href="http://timescorrespondents.typepad.com/charles_bremner/2008/07/post-5.html?cid=123409400#comments" rel="nofollow">http://timescorrespondents.typepad.com/charles_bremner/2008/07/post-5.html?cid=123409400#comments</a></p>
<p>What do you think ?</p>
<p>ps hors sujet: monsieur chazelle. Je doute fort que ce soient les 15 (petits) messages par mois grand maximum que je poste sur votre blog qui sappent votre energie de bloggeur. Vous vous faites vieux voila tout. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Barney hasn't left the building</title>
		<link>http://www.miquelon.org/2008/07/22/c-span-archives-worth-noting/comment-page-1/#comment-1120</link>
		<dc:creator>Barney hasn't left the building</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s Charles Bremner take on the &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;monkeys have not merely surrendered&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; comment published in the times yesterday.


&lt;em&gt;
[Yes it is a bit offensive. But he is quoting the american term that was used during Chirac&#039;s opposition to the Iraq War. They are not his words. It would have been better to put the word in quotes. Or better not to have used it at all.CB] 
http://timescorrespondents.typepad.com/charles_bremner/2008/07/post-5.html?cid=123409400#comments

&lt;/em&gt;What do you think ?
&lt;em&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s Charles Bremner take on the <em><strong>monkeys have not merely surrendered</strong></em> comment published in the times yesterday.</p>
<p><em><br />
[Yes it is a bit offensive. But he is quoting the american term that was used during Chirac's opposition to the Iraq War. They are not his words. It would have been better to put the word in quotes. Or better not to have used it at all.CB]<br />
<a href="http://timescorrespondents.typepad.com/charles_bremner/2008/07/post-5.html?cid=123409400#comments" rel="nofollow">http://timescorrespondents.typepad.com/charles_bremner/2008/07/post-5.html?cid=123409400#comments</a></p>
<p></em>What do you think ?<br />
<em></p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.miquelon.org/2008/07/22/c-span-archives-worth-noting/comment-page-1/#comment-1119</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s astonishing in this John J Miller video is that a lot of his speech is about Iraq...
He didn&#039;t even motion Afghanistan.
 
Anyway, it&#039;s weird how someone can lie that much only to sell a book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s astonishing in this John J Miller video is that a lot of his speech is about Iraq&#8230;<br />
He didn&#8217;t even motion Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Anyway, it&#8217;s weird how someone can lie that much only to sell a book.</p>
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		<title>By: André Wernesson</title>
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		<dc:creator>André Wernesson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A classic case of racialization through animal depiction. The British, and American press has for centuries depicted anyone they wish to put down as a monkey / ape. We can thank the Simpson’s and Jonah Golberg for the association : [French = Monkey]&quot;

So true. It&#039;s funny, I saw this excellent exposition in the National Library of Madrid not long ago; it was an exposition of historic prints from the Spanish war of independence (ita est, the war against the rule of Napoleon&#039;s brother, Joseph Bonaparte, king of Spain). The prints were from all nationalities, and all were quite acid and critical (especially the Spanish prints, which were understandably hostile to foreign rule) -- nevertheless, the British prints were different.

Indeed, the British prints had something revoltingly racist and scornful about them which gave me a very bitter aftertaste.

For not only did they portray the French, their enemy, as sub-human beings; they also portrayed their so-called allies, the Spanish, as black-faced Don Juans from the XVIIth century. That&#039;s the thing with the British -- they&#039;ll be &quot;friends&quot; with the &quot;filthy wogs&quot;, but will always look down upon them as &quot;dirty dagos&quot;, little better than monkeys.

The clearest example is that of their long-time historical ally, the Portuguese...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A classic case of racialization through animal depiction. The British, and American press has for centuries depicted anyone they wish to put down as a monkey / ape. We can thank the Simpson’s and Jonah Golberg for the association : [French = Monkey]&#8221;</p>
<p>So true. It&#8217;s funny, I saw this excellent exposition in the National Library of Madrid not long ago; it was an exposition of historic prints from the Spanish war of independence (ita est, the war against the rule of Napoleon&#8217;s brother, Joseph Bonaparte, king of Spain). The prints were from all nationalities, and all were quite acid and critical (especially the Spanish prints, which were understandably hostile to foreign rule) &#8212; nevertheless, the British prints were different.</p>
<p>Indeed, the British prints had something revoltingly racist and scornful about them which gave me a very bitter aftertaste.</p>
<p>For not only did they portray the French, their enemy, as sub-human beings; they also portrayed their so-called allies, the Spanish, as black-faced Don Juans from the XVIIth century. That&#8217;s the thing with the British &#8212; they&#8217;ll be &#8220;friends&#8221; with the &#8220;filthy wogs&#8221;, but will always look down upon them as &#8220;dirty dagos&#8221;, little better than monkeys.</p>
<p>The clearest example is that of their long-time historical ally, the Portuguese&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Miquelon</title>
		<link>http://www.miquelon.org/2008/07/22/c-span-archives-worth-noting/comment-page-1/#comment-1115</link>
		<dc:creator>Miquelon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly suggest you watch the John J Miller video, especially his opening &quot;jokes&quot; - they say so much about this author who seeks respectability through publication, but whose level of analysis and synthesis is akin to the base bashing of f***f.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly suggest you watch the John J Miller video, especially his opening &#8220;jokes&#8221; &#8211; they say so much about this author who seeks respectability through publication, but whose level of analysis and synthesis is akin to the base bashing of f***f.com</p>
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		<title>By: Miquelon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miquelon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A classic case of racialization through animal depiction. The British, and American press has for centuries depicted anyone they wish to put down as a monkey / ape. We can thank the Simpson&#039;s and Jonah Golberg for the association : [French = Monkey]

In the USA and in Britain, Irish immigrants were compared to monkeys and caricatured as such in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nde.state.ne.us/SS/irish/unit_2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;local and national media&lt;/a&gt;. This is why I find the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=971fUrG5k1c&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arby&#039;s line dancing Irish Monkey&lt;/a&gt; ad reprehensible and racist, but given the historical amnesia of most viewers, it has not encountered much criticism. 

The depictions of Barack Obama as a monkey have been met - rightly - with outrage and shock [&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.enamerique.com/2008/06/19/une-nouvelle-marionnette-raciste/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama Sock Puppet&lt;/a&gt;] - [&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.enamerique.com/2008/05/14/barack-obama-caricature-en-singe/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mulligan&#039;s in Georgia&lt;/a&gt;]. Given the fact Anti-French comments / actions are not and cannot be qualified as racism for semantic and more obvious reasons, this animalistic depiction will fly below the radar, but in its core, it is eerily similar to Anti-Irish and Anti-Black caricatures of yesteryear and today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A classic case of racialization through animal depiction. The British, and American press has for centuries depicted anyone they wish to put down as a monkey / ape. We can thank the Simpson&#8217;s and Jonah Golberg for the association : [French = Monkey]</p>
<p>In the USA and in Britain, Irish immigrants were compared to monkeys and caricatured as such in the <a href="http://www.nde.state.ne.us/SS/irish/unit_2.html" rel="nofollow">local and national media</a>. This is why I find the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=971fUrG5k1c&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">Arby&#8217;s line dancing Irish Monkey</a> ad reprehensible and racist, but given the historical amnesia of most viewers, it has not encountered much criticism. </p>
<p>The depictions of Barack Obama as a monkey have been met &#8211; rightly &#8211; with outrage and shock [<a href="http://www.enamerique.com/2008/06/19/une-nouvelle-marionnette-raciste/" rel="nofollow">Obama Sock Puppet</a>] &#8211; [<a href="http://www.enamerique.com/2008/05/14/barack-obama-caricature-en-singe/" rel="nofollow">Mulligan's in Georgia</a>]. Given the fact Anti-French comments / actions are not and cannot be qualified as racism for semantic and more obvious reasons, this animalistic depiction will fly below the radar, but in its core, it is eerily similar to Anti-Irish and Anti-Black caricatures of yesteryear and today.</p>
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		<title>By: Barney hasn't left the building</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barney hasn't left the building</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Et j&#039;ai aussi laissé un message concernant ces insultes xenophobes sur le blog de Charles Bremner qui travaille dans le meme journal et qui clame à qui veut l&#039;entendre que c&#039;est un grand francophile.

Voyons si il condamne ou pas ces ignobles attaques francophobes ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Et j&#8217;ai aussi laissé un message concernant ces insultes xenophobes sur le blog de Charles Bremner qui travaille dans le meme journal et qui clame à qui veut l&#8217;entendre que c&#8217;est un grand francophile.</p>
<p>Voyons si il condamne ou pas ces ignobles attaques francophobes ?</p>
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		<title>By: Barney hasn't left the building</title>
		<link>http://www.miquelon.org/2008/07/22/c-span-archives-worth-noting/comment-page-1/#comment-1112</link>
		<dc:creator>Barney hasn't left the building</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I left a comment on the article&#039;s page.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article4380820.ece?Submitted=true

 I invite you to do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left a comment on the article&#8217;s page.<br />
<a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article4380820.ece?Submitted=true" rel="nofollow">http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article4380820.ece?Submitted=true</a></p>
<p> I invite you to do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Barney hasn't left the building</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barney hasn't left the building</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no irony, peamak. Pure xenophobic slurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no irony, peamak. Pure xenophobic slurs.</p>
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		<title>By: André Wernesson</title>
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		<dc:creator>André Wernesson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the monkeys have not merely surrendered but are prostrating themselves at the Golden Arch.&quot;

There! You see, it&#039;s not merely the &quot;grease monkey&quot; connection -- the Americans are actually calling us monkeys...

...the foul swine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the monkeys have not merely surrendered but are prostrating themselves at the Golden Arch.&#8221;</p>
<p>There! You see, it&#8217;s not merely the &#8220;grease monkey&#8221; connection &#8212; the Americans are actually calling us monkeys&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;the foul swine.</p>
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		<title>By: peamak</title>
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		<dc:creator>peamak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not good enough in english : is there any irony in this piece on the TimesOnline ?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article4380820.ece

&quot;The latest gastronomic sensation in France is the burger - and not just any beef patty in a bun. Only the McDo will do. You can ignore anti-globalisation protests, French cultural snobbery and antipathy over Iraq, the monkeys have not merely surrendered but are prostrating themselves at the Golden Arch. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not good enough in english : is there any irony in this piece on the TimesOnline ?</p>
<p><a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article4380820.ece" rel="nofollow">http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article4380820.ece</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The latest gastronomic sensation in France is the burger &#8211; and not just any beef patty in a bun. Only the McDo will do. You can ignore anti-globalisation protests, French cultural snobbery and antipathy over Iraq, the monkeys have not merely surrendered but are prostrating themselves at the Golden Arch. &#8220;</p>
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